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« il: Agosto 03, 2010, 17:53:12 »

Ciao a tutti!!

Utilizzo max da un po più di un annetto , da poco ho deciso di fare il porting delle patch del libro Designing Sound

http://aspress.co.uk/ds/about_book.php

Anche se ho letto che era un' impresa semplice , mi sta dando non pochi problemini(conosco poco  pd)……

Se qualcuno riuscisse a darmi una mano gli sarei grato.


posto una patch che va un po a modo suo  Huh

sarebbe quella di pagina 375 Chapter 32 Pratical 9 Creaking

Grazie


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« Risposta #1 il: Agosto 09, 2010, 07:31:29 »

purtroppo non ho il libro, e senza la patch originale è difficile capire cos'è che non va.

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« Risposta #2 il: Agosto 12, 2010, 12:17:04 »

Posto le patch originali di pure data ed il link al sito

http://aspress.co.uk/sd/practical09.php


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#X connect 4 0 2 0;
#X connect 5 0 2 0;
#X connect 6 0 2 0;
#X connect 7 0 2 0;
#X connect 8 0 2 0;
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#X connect 7 0 5 0;
#X connect 8 0 7 0;
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#X connect 11 0 30 0;
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#X connect 13 0 21 0;
#X connect 14 0 15 0;
#X connect 15 0 20 1;
#X connect 16 0 17 0;
#X connect 17 0 18 0;
#X connect 18 0 20 0;
#X connect 19 0 24 0;
#X connect 19 1 14 0;
#X connect 20 0 2 1;
#X connect 21 0 27 0;
#X connect 21 0 31 0;
#X connect 22 0 1 0;
#X connect 23 0 9 0;
#X connect 23 1 16 0;
#X connect 24 0 18 1;
#X connect 25 0 10 0;
#X connect 25 0 32 0;
#X connect 26 0 25 0;
#X connect 27 0 26 0;
#X connect 27 1 10 1;
#X connect 28 0 6 0;
#X connect 29 0 8 0;
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#X obj 54 189 dfbef 10.12 0.05;
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#X connect 9 0 6 0;
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#X connect 9 0 4 0;
#X connect 9 0 3 0;
#X connect 9 0 2 0;
#X connect 9 0 1 0;
#X connect 9 0 0 0;
#X restore 9 40 pd squarepanel;
#X obj 9 62 *~ 0.2;
#X floatatom 133 13 5 0 0 0 - - -;
#X connect 0 0 3 0;
#X connect 0 0 6 0;
#X connect 2 0 4 0;
#X connect 3 0 2 0;
#X connect 4 0 5 0;
#X connect 5 0 1 0;
#X connect 5 0 1 1;



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#X obj 1 65 +~;
#X obj 1 3 inlet~;
#X obj 3 155 outlet~;
#X obj 3 109 delread~ \$0-a \$1;
#X obj 11 134 s~ \$0-fba;
#X obj 17 24 r~ \$0-fba;
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#X obj 17 44 *~ \$2;
#X connect 0 0 6 0;
#X connect 1 0 0 0;
#X connect 3 0 2 0;
#X connect 3 0 4 0;
#X connect 5 0 7 0;
#X connect 7 0 0 1;
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« Risposta #3 il: Agosto 25, 2010, 14:55:46 »

Ciao,
mi piacerebbe condividere questa patch,
è un altro porting dal libro.


L'originale la trovate qui
http://aspress.co.uk/sd/practical18.php

Se qualcuno ha voglia di modificarla, di elaborare un' altra "scena" , di studiare assieme  etc……
sarebbe divertente Sorriso


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</code></pre>


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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

   


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</code></pre>



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</code></pre>


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</code></pre>





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« Risposta #5 il: Agosto 26, 2010, 11:28:50 »

Ciao, innanzitutto grazie per il link alle interessanti patch in PD (mi devo proprio comprare questo libro).

Riguardo il tuo porting, ho dato un'occhiata aile prime tre o quattro patch e vedo che alcune sono delle abstraction: però se non indichi come si chiamano, una per una, è un bel puzzle ricostruire i nomi giusti per far funzionare il tutto!

Dato anche che sono un bel numero, probabilmente la cosa migliore, invece che incollare il codice, è allegare un file zippato con tutte le patch.

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« Risposta #6 il: Agosto 26, 2010, 13:14:34 »

Grazie a te per le risposte e l'interessamento.

Maurizio , mi viene spontaneo sorridere nel sentirti dire "(mi devo proprio comprare questo libro)" ,
tu che ne potresti scrivere a decine…… 


Sono  uno studente che si sta avvicinando al sound design in real-time
 ed è anche grazie al tuo libro se ci sto provando……

Allego il file zippato con le patch, spernado di non aver fatto troppi scarabocchi.

Grazie ancora.
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« Risposta #7 il: Agosto 26, 2010, 16:24:23 »

Bel lavoro!

E il libro è decisamente interessante. Mi piace come costruisce un suono complesso isolando i diversi elementi.
Solo una cosa: il ciclo sinusoidale di 10 secondi contenuto in "movimento_lento" dopo un po' diventa prevedibile. Io sostituirei cycle~ con rand~, così:

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</code></pre>

Appena ho un po' più di tempo do un'occhiata alla patch creaking

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« Risposta #8 il: Agosto 27, 2010, 11:03:03 »

Thanks!

Si in effetti con rand~ 0.4  diventa meno "loop"

Nel libro vengono suggeriti 4 esercizi

Ribadisco che se qualcuno ha voglia di smanettare un po sarebbe interessante condividere soluzioni

Per ora ne scrivo  3 di es (la traduzione è molto interpretata) :

1 fare una patch per controllare la densità della texture delle foglie agitate dal vento.


2 Sperimentare andando ad aggiungere differenti modelli

- soffio del vento
- oggetti agitati dal vento
- oggetti che rotolano mossi dal vento

provare con un "barattolo" che rotola sul fronte stereo

Si possono usare anche file audio, lo scopo è quello di linkare i parametri della velocità del vento al movimento dell'oggetto in maniera coerente.

3 fare una patch per il suono della pioggia ……

Appena riesco provo a postare qualcosa, magari partendo da cio che c'è gia
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« Risposta #9 il: Agosto 27, 2010, 11:16:48 »

PIOGGIA

http://aspress.co.uk/sd/practical15.php


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« Risposta #10 il: Agosto 28, 2010, 21:36:32 »

Ho provato a fare "la pioggia"

e a gestire i volumi in MAX for LIVE

allego le patch

Non sono ancora linkate al vento…

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